at that time, 45% of our math and science teachers were not qualified to teach math and science. even at that point. you could get a better job than being a teacher teaching math and science. what we have is a longer-term problem, and i say this as a proud father of three daughters, all three of which, about the time of middle school, started losing interest in math and science. and you look the same. >> why? >> i think there were a series of issues, from bath and science not always being taught in the most interesting ways, -- from mass and science not always been taught in this interesting ways, role models, not having appropriate support systems, and it is not a new problem. it is frankly getting worse going forward. that begs the question of, yes, we need to reform the education system, particularly focusing on middle school, but we also have to recognize, as steve mentioned, one of the opportunities and challenges of the internet is that has made space and distance and time in effect disappear in terms of the change. you can build it anywhere. if you can build it anywhere, t